http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2010 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
having to wait til 2013...
damn microsoft and its 5 year late calendar]]>Feb 10th 2007 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 9:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
I just hope it's not a jump like Win98 to XP and more like jumping from 3.11 to 95.]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
But 2009? I don't believe that, sorry.]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
It's like both armies of fat hairy nerds have nothing better to do with their time.]]>Feb 11th 2007 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
I'll definitely be excited to hear more though!]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
As for the comment in the article "Now all we've got to do is wait (and hope that the changes aren't too radical.)" Why not have it radical? Windows has been the same since 95. The biggest change was with NT and that was just the kernel design. So, its time for a change. Mac hasn't changed its core design (The top File, Edit, etc. Bar) minus the fact they added features along the way (The bar at the bottom, etc.) So, I hope for Vienna, that they throw us all a loop. They should dump the NT kernel and make a whole new OS from a blank coding page. Its the only way Microsoft can continue in the PC market.]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
Many of the features you see in Mac OS were in Windows first- including indexing search (Spotlight). Microsoft just needs to stop publicly showing all of these features if they're not going to ship the OS for a few years after.]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 10:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
Anyway I think that its achievable they have probably had a small team working on it for a while now so it is probably not from a dead start.

I hope its out 2009 or 2010. Why must we argue about which OS is better, neither is, I love my Mac and Windows because they both work and both do their job, Windows is not a bad OS until you start installing crap that messes everything up. You can do the same to a Mac if you install crap programs.]]>Feb 10th 2007 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/i mean good god stop acting like little kids. if a bunch of microsoft fans are commenting on something you disagree about, then dont ruin the whole thing and start a fight or have a intelligent coversation with them.]]>Feb 11th 2007 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
I find it frustrating however when people make incorrect comments and spread FUD mainly because it will make non tech people believe it and in general causes arguments. Surprised anyone uses Linux willingly, I would always have a Mac/Windows backup just incase. I mean Linux has a kernel which is so unreliable I have had to recompile it constantly, mainly happens when I compile binaries.

See what I did there? :P]]>Feb 10th 2007 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 10th 2007 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 12:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
I remember reading a white paper MS released 1-2 years ago talking about how to build a modern Desktop/Workstation OS from scratch, and the design principles were all based on POSIX standards.]]>Feb 10th 2007 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/"long horn" in 2004...
etc, etc]]>Feb 11th 2007 12:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 12:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
--
chort / http://www.SMTPS.net]]>Feb 11th 2007 12:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/This is why you should hate: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

I don't even want to hear about people being annoyed about others hating Vista. As far as I'm concerned, Vista earns every piece of it.

"I would think the Microsoft has learned their lesson by now."

Well I think probably not. Look at every DRM company/user in the world today. They STILL haven't figured out that they're same old business model isn't going to work as well as it used to and that they need to innovate themselves instead of treating every user like a criminal. Unless this "Fiji" SP completely removes all the DRM devices in Vista, then ess tee eff you, please. Microsoft hasn't learned jack.

"Well I have been a Vista user long before the public betas were out. Microsoft has done an amazing job with the OS and the biggest hurdle for it right now are drivers from various makers."

I want YOU, especially to read http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html . It's not really the device drivers fault that it's taking forever for drivers to come out. Vista is so restrictive on their driver/device requirements, that it just gives companies even more of a pain in the rear. Also, for the record, I have used Vista before. Largely unimpressed. Pretty decent UI, I have to say... (though there truly ARE stunning similarities between it and OS X Tiger). Otherwise I found it pretty annoying.

The other thing about Vista that I find absolutely atrocious is the system requirements to run it. I shouldn't have to buy a computer that would run current day games like a dream in order to run my operating system to take advantage of all its features.

Everyone likes to compare Tiger to Vista, but I'm kinda curious how with 512 MB of RAM and an integrated video board that Tiger can look incredible when Vista recommends 2 Gigs of RAM and a 256 MB Video card.

Imo, GTFO Vista! I'll stick with XP, thanks.

It's not even a matter of Vista vs. Tiger. To me, it's really more of a Vista vs. XP. And as far as I'm concerned, XP wins hands down. Also, I don't hate Vista because I'm a Mac fanboy. If anything, I'm considering switching to Mac BECAUSE I hate Vista.

Take your stupid Direct X 10 (Which doesn't support DirectSound, GG!!) that's only for your "shiny," DRMed, UAC'ed, Tilt bitted, Driver controlled, and shove it up your butt. I'm a gamer, but there's no way in hell I'm letting Microsoft trap me into Vista because of Direct X 10.

Fiji better be a damned good service pack, or Vista will never be worth switching to over XP. And this is why: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html]]>Feb 11th 2007 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
Let's not be gay, please.]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
My guess is that the guts will be mostly the same as Vista (what with Ballmer mentioning that Vista is going to be the foundation for Windows for a while) but the UI should be fairly different. Actually, if they can do a new UI with few changes to the underlying core, it'd be nice to see them seperate the desktop from the rest of the OS as in Linux (i.e. you have a choice of Gnome, KDE, and others). This would allow the UI to evolve independently, and faster, than the rest of the OS.]]>Feb 11th 2007 12:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/...If (and, admittedly, it's probably a BIG if) it's released on time, why so soon? I don't even have Vista yet, and don't plan on it until my current computer can no longer do what I need it to - that is, play Final Fantasy XI, run Microsoft Office, run the Macromedia Suite, and connect to the internet. Since I'm still unsure whether FFXI runs on Vista yet, I'm not making the change. My game means more to me than a brand new operating system - especially if one is coming out in two years or so.

That being said, I probably would upgrade to Vista if my current laptop meets the same fate as the old: a nice, steaming cup of Hot Coffee. No, really. A Grande sized Latte does not mingle well with the keyboard or the innards of a Dell Laptop.]]>Feb 11th 2007 12:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
zOMG m$ 2009 is like 2013 lolz.

LOL MORE LIKE WINDOWS OSX LEOPARD!!!111shiftone1one ]]>Feb 11th 2007 1:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
OMFg!!!!11!!!!11!!one!!!11!!!11!!eleven!!1!!11!!1

M$$$? MOre like B$$$!!!!!


Hahahahaha !!!!!!!!

M@cs rulzzzz!!!!!]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 1:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
Instead what will happen is they'll pre-announce feature set and release date years in advance and then cut most of the features and slip the release date. And even then there will be not enough time.]]>Feb 11th 2007 5:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/
Most Mac users I know pretty much fit the "counter culture" type to a T. It's really sad. They all double major in philosophy and english or something and have dyed black spiky hair.

This is a true story. I was walking back from the gym on campus wearing this old, beat up polo with a Microsoft logo on the upper-left chest my dad gave me from some golf tournament like 10 years back. Some kid in skin-tight black jeans with the same spiky hair spit on the ground in front of me and exclaimed "fuck Bill Gates and fuck you".

I didn't know what to say, I was just shocked. There's a Facebook group at my school entitled entitled "Business students are stupid and Windows is stupid too".

Really?

I guess my stupid business degree is good enough to rack out ~67k after taxes when I start working in May.

I guess I'll see all these guys when they're managing a Barnes & Noble after they get their masters and still can't find work.]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/vista-successor-vienna-planned-for-late-2009/Feb 11th 2007 6:02AM